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interesting, I am speechless

This is rather unusual for a commercial service



What part of it? Lots of commercial services are built on open protocols. HTTP is probably the most prominent example, but even in the IM world it is (was?) not that odd to see a commercial service use IRC under the hood.


WhatsApp is, or used to be, based on a heavily modified version of ejabberd, which is a XMPP server written in Erlang.


Facebook and Google talk used to use xmpp


Google Talk's usage of XMPP was more of an Embrace, Extend, Extinguish than _actual_ adoption.


> Google Talk's usage of XMPP was more of an Embrace, Extend, Extinguish than _actual_ adoption.

That would have been an actual strategy, and probably would have worked, but from what I could tell they just sort of fumbled around without really committing.

As I recall, the Embrace was half-hearted, the implementation was pretty standard with no Extensions, and they never really got around to an Extinguish phase, they eventually just phased out support for XMPP clients at all.

The only way I think Google's incoherence of multiple overlapping stabs at messaging over many years makes sense is as internal maneuvering and jockeying for position among execs playing chess with the various engineering teams and end users as pawns.


They extinguished their own service by killing Google Talk and replacing it with Hangouts. They never dropped XMPP from Talk, they just never implemented it in Hangouts. Talk and Wave really started Google's churn of messaging apps, which has seemed to just hurt themselves.


> They never dropped XMPP from Talk, they just never implemented it in Hangouts.

ISTR that they did back off of XMPP support in Google Talk to some extent a bit before that last move. Something about not allowing incoming connection requests from non-Google accounts by default IIRC.


There were a few months more than 10 years ago when you could use one XMPP client for all your various social/chat accounts. I want to say around 2008 ?


More than a few months, I used that for years. Even after Google announced the shutting down of their XMPP service, it worked for years.


Yes... I remember using pidgin for that, and I believe there was some kind of proxy I used to link up IRC too. Those were the days.


same, that was the golden era of IM, using Pidgin for MSN, fb, google,...


It may have been. But I wouldn't be surprised if the people who started it actually wanted a properly federated standardized XMPP.

Of course then leadership got to it :'(


In the continuation of this. Open source gets a lot of credit, but it deserves even more - companies, governments, institutions need to acknowledge it. Open source is jet fuel for the IT/technology industries, the ultimate commoditization of portable software.


Discord uses IRC for it's chat


I think Discord has always used it's own thing (or at least I've never heard of this).

Twitch, on the other hand, did used to use a very heavily customized version of IRC for it's chat. Not sure if it still does.


It did as of last year.

I used to use custom desktop clients where the chat was basically just an irc client that automatically joined whichever Twitch Stream I was watching.


It has some IRC stylings in the UI with the #channels etc. but it's not IRC.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Twitch?


Maybe on the backend. But maybe you mistake it for Twitch? They use IRC and you can use normal IRC clients to connect.


Can you connect to Discord using a standard IRC client?


Is that true?


It was, for very early revisions of Discord.




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