These people will always be interesting to me. They "won" the game, they accumulated wealth and made a comfortable life for themselves. Yet they usually live frugally and die with several millions just because they never actually spent the money.
Some of my relatives were like that. Lots of money in the banks, 70 years old, yet his wife would chastise him for buying a small $16k Mazda truck to replace his +10 years old $12k Ford truck.
The reason most people want to be rich is to have a good lifestyle. Sure, lifestyle inflation is a thing and you want to have money in the bank for emergency and retirement, but being the old guy with lots of money is no better than being the old guy with a solid retirement fund if you're just going to sit on the money.
> but being the old guy with lots of money is no better than being the old guy with a solid retirement fund if you're just going to sit on the money.
I'm confused - those are the same person.
Most "millionaire next door" types are not people who suddenly had a million dropped into their account.
They're the people who routinely make good choices with their money. That includes putting it in a diversified investment portfolio and taking full advantage of all the legal ways to reduce expenses (of which - retirements accounts are a great option - the tax savings you get filling your 401k compound to quite a nice bit of cash over a 40 year timeline, not even mentioning the principle you contributed).
So in this case - I'm with the guys wife: He's 70 already, what's he really going to be using that truck for? It sure isn't going to be heavy labor (he's 70). Couldn't a smaller more efficient car have done the same job? And it's a 16k truck - so it's either incredibly low trim and lightly used, or nice but heavily used (because 16k is dirt fucking cheap for a decent truck unless it's 10+ years old).
So is she nagging because he spent 16k, or because he spent 16k on something that's not really practical for that point in their life? I'd bet money it's the later.
Not even mentioning - a 70 year old might easily live another 25 years. Blowing all your savings now is a terrible call if you need long term care later in life (you want to talk about expensive, long term care makes that 16k truck look like a match box car)
Don't get me wrong - if you're perfectly happy with your lifestyle despite spending very little money, that's absolutely okay. My point is, you can not just overspend, you can also oversave - if you have the money to make your life better (really better, not wasting-money-better), you're on the wrong side of this.
That larger truck might be a waste of money, but it might also be easier to get into, save fuel and keep you safe in the case of a crash. Now, most people are clearly on the overspending side of things, but a large pile of cash won't make your corpse more comfortable either.
Sure - and you can get hit by a bus tomorrow, making the whole discussion a moot point.
That doesn't change the fact that the people who end up in the situation the OP was referring to (decent amount of capital late in their lives) tend to be the same people who have decided that they can, in fact, live a comfortable life without having to spend a ton of money. They aren't always right, but my point is that folks without that mindset aren't the ones in that position later (at least not usually).
What's the point though. You just skimped your whole live to end up old and with a bunch of abstract "wealth".
Best way to do it is to buy exactly what will fulfill you, and not a cent more. Maybe that 3 week trip to ___ will, maybe the expensive dinner won't. Etc.
I think you're implying a value judgement I'm not making.
Who's to say they think they're skimping?
Who's to say that they didn't buy exactly what fulfilled them, and it was only 20% of their take-home pay, so they just shoved the rest of it into investments?
Basically - money certainly matters, but only to a point. Once you're fairly comfortable satisfying your genuine needs (food, clothing, shelter, time) more money isn't really going to change how you feel.
It's a mental trap to assume that happiness can be bought, if only you had a bit more money. It leads to empty, hollow, soulless people.
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> Best way to do it is to buy exactly what will fulfill you
My advice? Buying things will never fulfill you. Real fulfillment isn't about having the next shiny ____.
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy that thing, but you should be doing it with intention - How does this fit into my life? What uses do I have for it? Who will I share it with?
No I think we are on the same page. I'm just assuming these are "excessively frugal" type people. Agree 100% that money only matters to a point. I've traveled to many places, and had a few "luxury" type experiences and I'm certain that the juice isn't worth the squeeze for that type of stuff.
I would say the main two goals would be to: have enough money to work when/on what you want (this could be like 500k), and the long term goal is have enough money to make a bigger impact on a community or even the world (prob like 10 mil - 1 bil).
Only if you inculcated the same standards into your children, which is definitely not a given. If you were just a miser and your children didn't understand your reasoning, I would expect them to blow their entire inheritance and leave a pittance to their children.
Yes, absolutely, and it would be a great idea if you don't trust the financial competence of your beneficiaries, but you want them to have access to your assets. The problem is that those trusts may be viewed as overly restrictive or unnecessarily burdensome to the beneficiaries and so may not be created in the first place. IE beneficiary needs $X for a rational business investment, but can only get $X/4 out of the trust within the timeframe, even though 1000*$X in total is in the trust.
> IE beneficiary needs $X for a rational business investment, but can only get $X/4 out of the trust within the timeframe, even though 1000*$X in total is in the trust.
I mean, the trust can (usually) invest money without it being considered a distribution. I suspect that happens a lot based on the trustifarians I see in capital-intensive businesses and crushing it (due to below-market cost of capital).
I feel bad for their competitors having to prove themselves to a bank or other arms-length financier.
Some of my relatives were like that. Lots of money in the banks, 70 years old, yet his wife would chastise him for buying a small $16k Mazda truck to replace his +10 years old $12k Ford truck.